The New Science of How Your Body Can Heal Itself


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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from and That’s wellness with an E on the top. And this episode is about “The way to Eat to Beat Illness,” the brand new science of how your physique can heal itself. And I’m right here with Dr. William Li, who’s a doctor and scientist, and he’s the president and medical director of the Angiogenesis Basis, and the writer of the guide by the title of this podcast, “Eat to Beat Illness.


On this episode, we go deep on specifics associated to this matter, together with how he acquired into this discipline, how well being is the pure state of the physique, and the way usually we simply must assist the physique and get out of its manner, the stunning analysis exhibiting that sure meals might need as a lot or extra energy as medicine to assist the physique beat sure illnesses, how the physique interprets messages from meals in varied methods, together with meals that may immediate stem cell progress, how fasting comes into play, methods to reframe our meals decisions to assist the physique with out feeling disadvantaged.


He debunks some city legends about sure meals, and a few them would possibly shock you. His stunning analysis, and his tackle beer and wine ingesting. After which we go lots into intestine well being. We even have a enjoyable wrap-up on the finish on a mutual matter that neither of us anticipated the opposite to be thinking about. So very enjoyable dialog for me. I feel you’ll be taught lots, in addition to Dr. Li, is a wealth of information. So with out additional ado, let’s be part of him. Dr. Li, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.


Dr. William: Thanks very a lot, Katie. It’s an actual pleasure.


Katie: Properly, I’ve so many enjoyable questions, and we’re gonna go in so many enjoyable instructions at this time. However earlier than we do, I’ve a word that you just took a visit throughout all the U.S. and I might love to listen to a bit of bit extra about that, as a result of I did the identical factor with my children a number of years in the past, and it was undoubtedly memorable.


Dr. William: Properly, you understand, the factor that I’ve at all times marveled about america is simply how completely different components of the nation are from one place to the opposite. And, you understand, I stay close to Boston, so close to a giant metropolis, and we hear about massive cities having nice meals, and also you hear about locations referred to as meals deserts. And so, one of many issues I used to be actually thinking about, in addition to attractive surroundings, basically, simply to sort of expertise what it was wish to search for various kinds of meals, wholesome meals, that anybody can select, regardless of the place you might be, that was certainly one of my very own private agendas is to truly have a look and to see, how tough wouldn’t it be. And what was actually stunning is whether or not I used to be in Ohio, or whether or not I used to be in Montana, or whether or not I used to be in Wyoming, I at all times was capable of finding one thing that I acknowledge that I might eat, that might assist my physique be more healthy. And so that truly was actually excellent news to me. And, in fact, we noticed lots of wonderful nation, which makes me rather more appreciative of the place we stay.


Katie: That’s great. I had the identical expertise. I really feel prefer it takes a bit of extra work typically, but it surely’s undoubtedly attainable. Not at all times as straightforward as our dwelling kitchens. However that’s encouraging that you just had the identical expertise.


Dr. William: Proper.


Katie: And you might be most identified to your work, no less than, to me, you’re most identified about your guide, “Eat to Beat Illness: The New Science of How Your Physique Can Heal Itself”. And I like even that languaging concerning the physique therapeutic itself as a result of I really feel prefer it’s vital to maintain that high of thoughts. Usually, we consider searching for exterior sources to heal us. And actually, we work greatest after we assist the physique’s pure course of and ten transferring to a state of therapeutic itself. However let’s begin actually broad. And I might love to listen to a bit of of how you bought into this particular discipline of analysis. After which additionally, how is it actually attainable to eat to beat illness? As a result of I feel this can be a actually vital idea.


Dr. William: Yeah. Properly, I’m a doctor, so I’m educated in inner medication, which suggests I handle younger and previous women and men, wholesome and sick. And though in medication we’re educated to jot down prescriptions and to chase illnesses with increasingly interventions, the fact is, is on a private stage, my philosophy has at all times been to maintain individuals wholesome. And in the event that they get sick, they fall off the wagon, sort of how do you get individuals again on the trail of well being? Which is actually the place our physique desires to be. Now, that’s actually vital, as a result of after I was in medical college and in coaching, one of many issues that we have been at all times educated to do is to determine illness, to search out illness. What’s most cancers? What’s coronary heart illness? What’s diabetes? What’s dementia? And, you understand, what’s weight problems? So, we get actually good within the medical neighborhood, talking for myself, in figuring out and labeling illness, and explaining why they occur.


However truly, what I acquired extra thinking about is how will we outline well being. What’s well being? And I noticed that even after I was answering that query, I might usually say, “Well being is simply the absence of illness. Should you’re not sick, you’re wholesome.” Proper? However that truly at all times wound up being actually irritating to me, and never a really passable reply. So, fast-forward, I truly wound up beginning a nonprofit group referred to as the Angiogenesis Basis. And angiogenesis is how your physique grows blood vessels. And it seems that that’s a vital function of many illnesses, greater than 70. However much more importantly, our circulation, our blood vessels are important for well being. Now, within the work that I’ve finished with my nonprofit, we’ve truly helped to develop greater than 40 FDA-approved new therapies for most cancers, issues of diabetes, and even imaginative and prescient loss. And so, it’s been an exhilarating journey to have the ability to be concerned with growing new therapies that may assist sufferers.


After I put on my sort of medical hat, that provides me nice satisfaction. However I noticed as I used to be getting increasingly profitable on this, the query that my sufferers have been at all times asking me is, “Hey, Doc. What ought to I be consuming?” And I began to appreciate that the most important alternative that I might handle and I might actually attempt to convey to the forefront was not how you can truly chase illnesses and how you can deal with illnesses. That’s vital. That’s by no means gonna cease. However how might we roll the clock again and forestall illness, within the first place? And that will get again to the query of what’s well being and that led me to essentially ask the query…well being can’t be the “absence of one thing”. It needs to be the results of one thing else. And in order that one thing else occurs to be your personal physique. Our personal our bodies are hardwired to heal itself, which is actually exceptional. And that, to me, is the clue to how you can truly select meals that may activate these hardwired techniques to assist our physique do what it actually desires to do.


Katie: And I do know you could have a TED Discuss this as effectively, that’s gotten an entire lot of views. I’ll hyperlink to that within the present notes about how we are able to truly eat to starve most cancers. So, earlier than we go deeper, I wanna contact on all illness. However I’d love so that you can simply hit some excessive factors of that particular method as a result of I’m listening to from fairly a number of individuals who have most cancers or have a liked one with most cancers proper now.


Dr. William: Yeah. Properly, look, I imply, most cancers is that one illness that all of us concern, and each single certainly one of us has been touched, you understand, most likely one or two, or possibly zero levels of separation by this dreaded illness. And right here’s sort of, like, the newsflash. Most cancers is one thing that all of us, wholesome individuals, kind in our our bodies on a regular basis. I’ve acquired most cancers in my physique, you’ve acquired most cancers in your physique, all people listening to this has most cancers of their physique. And the reason being, our human our bodies are made out of 40 trillion human cells. And these cells, to maintain us alive need to divide, they need to make extra of themselves, proper. So, you do away with some previous ones, previous ones which can be truly retiring, and also you get the brand new ones. And the brand new ones are actually what permits us to go day-to-day getting higher. One of many massive issues about dividing cells is that in the event that they don’t go completely, and also you make one or two errors…take into consideration 40 trillion cells, like, 40 trillion issues on an meeting line being assembled on the similar time, all day lengthy, 24/7 for 70 or 80 years. You’re gonna have some errors. And all it takes is one or two errors, and also you’ve acquired what we name a microscopic most cancers, it’s a mutation in a cell.


And so, from the time after we’re younger, children to, nevertheless previous the listeners are at this time we’ve acquired these tiny little errors, microscopic cancers being fashioned. However the nice information is that microscopic cancers are like pimples, you most likely have a number of forming in your again on a regular basis, and also you’ll by no means even understand it as a result of they go away by themselves. And once they go away, when cancers go away, it’s as a result of our immune system wings by and prevents them from truly turning into an issue. It’s like cops on the beat seeing a dude that doesn’t look so savory on the nook, places them behind the squad automobile, and takes them away. Now, the opposite motive that cancers don’t develop usually, okay, is as a result of our physique has this super well being protection system, just like the immune system. One other system is the angiogenesis system. Our physique desires to feed our wholesome organs, however when there’s a most cancers, it doesn’t enable blood move to feed the most cancers. So, that’s what I gave my TED Discuss is, how will we truly do away with these blood vessels that cancers need to develop for themselves.


So, I’ve been concerned greater than 20 years with growing new therapies, biotech therapies, lots of which have been FDA-approved, that may lower off the blood provide to a most cancers. It’s not chemo, it’s not radiation, it’s not immunotherapies, truly it’s a standalone manner of pre-treating most cancers referred to as anti-angiogenesis. It’s modified the sport as a result of it doesn’t have the unwanted side effects of chemo. And it’s very pure as a result of it helps your physique simply starve the most cancers. However with the wonderful factor that I talked about at TED was having finished all this with medicine and biotech, what I noticed is that we are able to use the identical system to check meals. So, whenever you check inexperienced tea, and soy, and cabbage, and herbs, and spices, and citrus, and into these similar techniques we use for drug growth, the jaw-dropping outcome was that most of the meals surrounding us have as a lot, and typically better energy locked inside, one thing that’s edible and scrumptious than the medicine that we’ve been spending 20 years creating itself. And so, that is meals as medication.


I wound up truly turning into an actual proponent of utilizing science to take a look at diet. And this permits, I feel, the medical neighborhood to take part on this dialog as effectively. Beforehand, it’s kind of, like, “Properly, you understand, it’s diet.” “We’re not a nutritionist,” the medical doctors say, or they don’t wanna imagine in it. However you understand, each most cancers affected person at all times requested their physician, “Hey, Doc. What ought to I be consuming for myself?” And the reply is usually, “Don’t fear about it,” or “You may eat something you need.” Or, you understand, “There’s no information assist something.” And that’s now modified. Simply three weeks in the past, a brand new paper got here out to point out that in case you eat 5 grams of dietary fiber a day, in case you have most cancers and also you’re being handled with one thing referred to as immunotherapy, 5 grams of dietary fiber is quantity you’d have in a medium-sized pear or a big apple. Okay. Not very a lot, that having 5 grams of dietary fiber a day decreases the danger of mortality dying whilst you’re getting handled by 30%. So, what you eat, does matter. And in reality, it may be a matter of life and dying.


Katie: That’s so fascinating. And I’m so glad to see this analysis catching up as a result of I really feel like one of the best outcomes occur after we can merge diet and the most recent science, and likewise most likely some age-old strategies that we’re now studying the science to assist that cultures have identified for years and years and years. And it’s so thrilling. I’ve seen a, for example, a graphic on-line, the place a affected person went to a physician, and the physician informed him, “You’ve a metabolic illness.” They usually have been like, “Oh, so ought to I alter my weight-reduction plan?” And the physician mentioned, “No, it is best to take a tablet.” And I like that that’s not what’s taking place, that we’re seeing individuals such as you who’re within the analysis who’re making use of this, and we’re seeing good outcomes. It’s so thrilling. So, on that word, I might love to listen to possibly a few of these high meals that you just’re discovering within the analysis which can be actually stunning. Like, you talked about fiber however, like, what are a number of the others which have a extremely stunning potential right here?


Dr. William: Yeah. Properly, so being any individual who works in meals as medication, I’ve been gratified to find that it’s not one meals, “the previous superfood concept” however in reality, there’s greater than 200 meals and extra being found, actually each single week, meals that may activate our physique’s self-defenses. And so, you understand, the query you’re asking is so vital. So, what are some good meals that folks ought to find out about? However I might say first, let’s discuss how your physique makes use of meals. If you put one thing in your physique, what occurs that truly can shield your well being?


So, our physique, our well being is protected by our blood vessel system and our angiogenesis system. Our well being can also be protected by our stem cells. So, most individuals don’t notice that, you understand, it’s true salamanders and starfish can regenerate, however people can also regenerate, simply slowly. And so, whereas biotech firms try to determine how you can ship stem cells, Mom Nature’s beat everybody to the punch, and there are meals that may truly immediate our stem cells to heal us from the within out. That is true regeneration. Third, we’re protected by our intestine microbiome. Now, lots of people have been speaking concerning the intestine microbiome, but it surely’s 39 trillion micro organism packed inside our our bodies, most of it in our intestine, our colon. And these intestine micro organism do every little thing, from streamline our metabolism, they assist us drop pounds, dangerous, dangerous fats, to assist us heal. And the wonderful factor is that a few of these intestine micro organism appear to textual content message our brains and inform our mind to launch social hormones, which then governs our emotional well being as effectively.


Our fourth well being protection techniques are DNA, rather more than a genetic code, you understand. They’ll use antioxidants to defend themselves, they will additionally repair injury to stop cancers from rising. And our DNA truly protects us from the surroundings we stay in. After which lastly, our immune system, which is extra highly effective than we ever thought as a result of whenever you even have immune system, not solely are you proof against micro organism and viruses, and all people is aware of concerning the viruses and immunity, you understand, after the pandemic, however truly what most individuals don’t notice is that the identical immunity that we wish to have the ability to defend us from invaders from the skin world, like micro organism and viruses, additionally shield us from invaders within the inside world, which is definitely inside our physique. And that’s most cancers. Bear in mind, I informed you concerning the cop on the beat, driving by selecting up the dangerous man. That’s what immune system does, it takes out the rubbish. And so, we wish to have the ability to discover cancers and do away with them. And so, these 5 well being protection techniques are chugging away from the day we’re born to our final breath. And the nice information is that there’s greater than 200 meals, most of them are thought-about scrumptious meals in meals cultures, that may truly gentle up our well being, activate these well being defenses, and assist us keep off illness.


Katie: That’s so fascinating. And it is sensible. And I’ve at all times considered that when it comes to how will we simply naturally assist the physique in these processes which can be already built-in, and also you hear all of the cliches about, you understand, we don’t get sick from an absence of…we don’t have a chemotherapy deficiency. We don’t have a no matter, but it surely’s, like, studying how can we meld science with what we all know now to truly greatest assist the physique’s pure processes versus work in opposition to it. And I might say most likely lots of meals within the trendy weight-reduction plan truly most likely actively work in opposition to these techniques you simply talked about, and make them much less environment friendly. And so, it looks as if there’s steadiness of meals that may most likely be very supportive, meals that could possibly be overtly dangerous. And possibly there’s an individualization side there as effectively that for sure individuals at completely different occasions…so, I’d love so that you can contact on that.


Dr. William: Yeah. Properly, this concept that we’re all completely different is one thing that’s permeating all over the place relating to our understanding of well being, and even our remedy of illness. You realize, what I needed to sort of convey to gentle to your viewers is that, you understand, as a medical physician, we’ve been educated to jot down the identical prescription for a similar situation, regardless of who it’s, proper. However truly, if you concentrate on it, you understand, would you actually wanna give the identical prescription to the previous grandma, who’s a skinny, little stick, versus the younger man, who’s massive and burly, like a soccer participant, or any individual who’s overweight? The underside line is that we’ve identified for years that each particular person is completely different. Relating to meals, the variations are much more dramatic as a result of our metabolism…all is completely different as a result of the quantity of physique fats that we even have in our personal distinctive metabolism. So, how will we work with, adapt to, you understand, the person? Now, let’s overlay one further factor, Katie, that’s so vital, which is our private preferences, proper.


Everyone has acquired their favourite meals that they like to eat. Often begins with that aroma that you just odor popping out of your mother’s kitchen, that brings you again to your childhood, that everybody can relate to. Man, I do not forget that’s precisely what my mother used to prepare dinner. And I like it. Often, individuals love these sorts of meals. However all people will…you understand, in case you went to a buffet line, all people’s gonna be capable to pick the issues that they like to eat. Preferences are so vital. All of us need to select what we wish, versus being restricted or disadvantaged of one thing that we wish.


And so, this concept of a shift, you understand, the thought of being informed what you shouldn’t eat, don’t eat this, don’t eat that, create a state of deprivation, no one likes that, and it doesn’t work. If you truly level individuals in direction of meals that they love, and that is what I at all times do after I discuss to individuals. Inform me what meals you favor, and let’s select amongst these meals which can be identified to truly aid you. So, in my guide, “Eat to Beat Illness”, I checklist 200 meals. I inform individuals to take a Sharpie, and a listing of meals and simply begin circling the meals that you just like. You realize, and if it’s a strawberry, or if it’s salmon, or if it’s buckwheat, or, you understand, no matter it’s, individuals begin circling these issues. After which I inform them, “Hey, guess what? Have a look at all these belongings you circled. These are your favourite meals, your preferences, and so they all are good for you. So, begin with these meals you’ve most popular, and also you’re already manner forward of the sport.” It’s constructing confidence that folks could make the suitable selections which can be good for them.


Katie: That’s such an important reframe, and an important level in not having that target deprivation. I feel that applies to all areas of well being, not simply even illness however even when somebody’s making an attempt to drop pounds. You may’t punish your self. Then you’ll be able to’t…that deprivation mindset will solely get you to date, and ultimately, hormones will beat willpower, and it’s a must to handle all of these. And I feel that’s an important resolution to that. I’d additionally love to speak about…so we’ve talked a bit of bit about meals themselves. Relating to beating illness, I’m curious your tackle the absence of meals and if that additionally has a task. I do know I’ve learn some research associated to fasting and their potential position in most cancers or not. And it looks as if there’s lots of opinions right here. So, I’d love to listen to your tackle this and what you’re seeing.


Dr. William: Yeah. So, it’s an important query, Katie. And right here’s how I method it. Fasting is seen as restriction from unbridled consuming, proper. So, principally, child within the sweet store, you stroll into this factor, and there’s infinite quantity of decisions. Let’s go forward and gobble all of it up. Okay. That’s truly the place our society has developed to ranging from, you understand, actually the Fifties, post-World Battle II, this concept of industrialized meals, you will get meals anytime, anyplace, you understand, and in any amount. Abundance is one thing that’s seen as one thing great for a affluent society. And sure, you understand, in America, we’re lucky to have the ability to stay in that world. However truly, return in time, not so way back, a few generations, and other people actually have been cautious about their meals. And in case you actually check out how any sort of dwelling creature subsists on the planet, they aren’t stuffing their face, they’re consuming mindfully, selecting what they will discover once they can discover it in ways in which they know are good for them.


And I feel that it’s virtually like whenever you discuss kind of fasting and restricted consuming…I’ll come again to that in a second. It’s virtually like now we have to shake off this mindset that we’ve developed that extra is best. Should you actually give it some thought, our physique is designed to course of vitamins and to search for…and our minds are programmed to search for what our physique wants. And so, we take heed to our physique, okay, versus take heed to our eyes, or advertising, or no matter else it’s. The underside line is that, you understand, we are going to eat after we need to eat. Do you do not forget that, you understand, like, we have been all youthful…I’m certain, you understand, each child will bear in mind this. I don’t wanna eat dinner. I’m full. I don’t wanna at lunch. I’ve had sufficient. You realize what? That’s listening to the physique. That’s an extremely vital factor. And so right here now we have, eat thrice a day, eat three sq. meals. Be sure to have this. You realize, now we also have a plate that truly has a portion…it was a pyramid. Right here’s what I feel. I say that we must always know that we most likely all eat a 3rd greater than we’re speculated to be consuming, that’s kind of the analysis on common. And we in the reduction of a 3rd on what we’re speculated to. Take into consideration that.


You realize, in case you went to a household dinner and also you had a plate that you just’re loading meals onto, in case you simply took a 3rd lower than what you’ll, as an alternative of two heaping servings, you understand, you’re taking only one. All proper. Now you’re right down to a 3rd. Eat that slowly, ensure you choose the meals that you just get pleasure from. You’ll be truly proscribing your personal energy. And truly, all that’s been proven there may be that, in reality, consuming what your physique tolerates, when it comes to the quantity and the speed it tolerates, truly improves your well being defenses. You don’t overwhelm your physique, proper. So, whenever you’re filling up a cup of water beneath the sink, in case you activate the spigot, and it’s working by way of fairly slowly, that’s wonderful. Should you flip it on full blast, it’ll shortly overflow the mug, proper, and we don’t need to do this to our our bodies. So, restricted consuming is relative. Now, after we truly time prohibit our consuming, and we eat, you understand, 16/8. So, you understand, that’s sort of like intermittent fasting. It seems, that’s only a approach to self-discipline ourselves to permit our physique to get better from the quantity of energy we’re dumping into it.


Right here’s what’s attention-grabbing. After we do intermittent fasting, all of these physique well being defenses I discussed, our circulation improves, our stem cells reboot, our intestine microbiome resets the ecology, will get more healthy. It’s a greater neighborhood. Our DNA fixes itself a bit of higher. And our immunity additionally refreshes itself after we truly gave ourselves room to breathe. Okay. So, the exceptional factor is that consuming lower than we’re used to. Should you wanna name that caloric restriction, then so be it. Should you wanna name it fasting, so be it. Should you wanna make it actually excessive, you understand what? That works, too. However it is best to simply know that anytime you do something to an excessive, there can be penalties. So, the acute of fasting is being on a shipwreck or a desert island, you haven’t any meals. Okay. Or being misplaced in a desert, and you’ll whittle away. I imply, your defenses will get stronger for a bit of bit, and then you definitely’ll ultimately whittle away and also you’ll die. And so, we don’t wanna go to any of these extremes. We wanna discover that candy spot for our well being. And that’s the place these private preferences and listening to your physique all make a distinction.


Katie: That was such a transparent abstract of all of this analysis surrounding fasting and caloric restriction. And the info appears fairly clear, no less than from what I’ve learn that there’s a component of caloric restriction correlating to longevity. And that will get much more intense after we’re speaking about particular illness. However you’re proper, I feel it solely works when it could develop into sustainable. And that possibly, for some individuals, issues like time-restricted feeding may help be a instrument to be taught that course of and to be taught to take heed to their physique, or to no less than prohibit energy inside a window, so that they’re not over-consuming for as many hours of the day.


I additionally assume that is possibly an attention-grabbing tie-in that doesn’t get talked about sufficient after we discuss Blue Zones, which, in fact, had been a buzzword within the information. And all people desires to hyper-focus on what are the precise meals that they’re consuming. And I’ve at all times thought, “Properly, cling on. Let’s take a step again from that.” As a result of it additionally could possibly be concerning the timing of once they’re consuming or the truth that they’re strolling there, or they’re consuming slowly, or they’re with neighborhood. And we all know that neighborhood…and that could be a large think about well being that we’re not speaking about sufficient. I suppose that additionally, in fact, comes into play with illness pathways. Are there every other specifics associated to meals that actually shocked you or that could possibly be, like, tangible ideas for individuals as they’re making an attempt to undertake more healthy consuming habits?


Dr. William: Yeah. You realize, one of many issues that I attempted to do is to make use of the scientific analysis to assist individuals get some readability in order that they’re much less confused relating to diet, proper. I imply, that’s one of many issues about diet that’s so overwhelming typically is that you just hear, “Properly, we’re informed this at some point, after which we get whiplashed the subsequent day. They informed us it’s not good for us to eat anymore.” And so, then individuals are like, “Properly, what’s the purpose of even listening to something if no one can truly make up their thoughts?” Properly, that is the place science truly comes clearly by way of, shines by way of this. And one of many issues that I love to do, and when it comes to some surprises I wanna discuss are actually that there’s lots of city legends on the market. And I feel that science permits us to, you understand, sort of open up and bash these city legends like a pinata, you understand. So, what’s inside there? What’s the kernel of reality that’s actually there, and why is it misunderstood? And so, what do we actually do?


So, I’ll simply offer you a pair that’s on the market. Proper, now, there’s an city legend that’s quite common amongst girls that they need to keep away from soy merchandise as a result of soy truly may cause breast most cancers as a result of there’s a phytoestrogen, a plant-based estrogen that could possibly be harmful for breast most cancers. And that is…not solely is it legendary, even medical doctors are quoting it to their sufferers who’ve breast most cancers or who’ve a excessive threat for breast most cancers. Properly, nothing could possibly be farther from the reality. Let me inform you the place the origin of this delusion got here from. So, it’s true some human breast cancers are delicate to human estrogen. And the human estrogen, the hormone estrogen, can truly fireplace up the breast most cancers to develop. It’s true that the plant has one thing referred to as a phytoestrogen, a plant estrogen. However until you’re a chemist, you wouldn’t truly know. However in case you held an image up with a plant estrogen and held up an image up of the human estrogen, they give the impression of being nothing alike. The plant model seems to be nothing just like the human model. After which the analysis has proven that plant model truly blocks the human model. So, sort of the plant estrogen is sort of like Mom Nature’s tamoxifen, which drug firms have developed, and medical doctors prescribe their sufferers to dam the human estrogen. Okay.


So, that’s one sort of, like, layer of the onion to peel again. Plant estrogens are usually not harmful as a result of they don’t replicate what human estrogens do. Second, seems the plant estrogens are anti-angiogenic, they starve cancers by reducing off their blood provide. That is analysis I’ve finished together with many, many others now. If you eat soy, edamame, whenever you eat tofu, whenever you eat fermented soy merchandise or drink soy milk, it truly cuts off the blood provide to most cancers. Now, how do we all know this? We’ve examined soy and its extracts in the identical techniques we truly used to develop medicine to deal with breast most cancers. And truly, it really works. Now, what about people? Does it truly work in individuals? Seems {that a} examine of 5,000 girls, who’re on the highest threat for breast most cancers, which is girls with breast most cancers, have been studied. And it was discovered that these girls who’ve probably the most soy of their weight-reduction plan even have a lower in mortality, 30% lower. Should you eat extra soy, how a lot soy? About 10 grams of soy a day, that’s about you’ll get in a tall glass of soy milk. So, simply, simply achievable.


And if I informed you this one examine, which was referred to as the Shanghai Breast Most cancers examine, girls’s breast most cancers examine is only one examine. So, all of the critics come out and say, “Properly, you cherry-picked the examine.” Right here’s what I’ll inform you, the meta-analysis, which is all of the research present 14 research in a row with girls, breast most cancers, and soy, and survival. In each single case consuming extra soy is best for survival, and in zero instances, no case is consuming extra soy leading to extra mortality. So, that’s a extremely vital instance of one thing to provide. And by the best way, for mothers which can be desirous about what they need to feed their children, you understand, like, in case you have a daughter and also you’re making an attempt to determine, “Ought to I feed her, you understand, soybeans or edamame? Are they gonna be harmful for her?” Completely protected. Soy consumption truly is one thing that’s actually wholesome, it’s an important supply of protein, it’s a vegan supply of protein, that may truly be actually, actually useful. Now, clearly, you don’t wanna eat an excessive amount of of something, however, you understand, cheap quantities of soy protein are helpful. So, soy is one delusion, there’s different myths on tomatoes and goodies, and even purple wine, that, you understand, we are able to truly break into to essentially sort of get right down to the nuggets of what’s good and why and the place are the myths coming from.


Katie: That’s so fascinating. And I’m curious within the soy analysis, is there any specificity round sourcing? I might guess there are nonetheless most likely processed types of soy that we’d nonetheless need to keep away from. Or, for example, I’ve been fairly vocal about not consuming very many vegetable oils as a result of I really feel like there are simply higher options, speaking, like, olive oil and issues like that. However I might love if…was there any specificity within the analysis or any steerage you could have on that?


Dr. William: Yeah. So, it’s an important…that’s such an vital query. As a result of, you understand, in case you take a look at the junkiest meals you’ll be able to pull out of the center aisle of a grocery retailer, ultra-processed meals, choose a field, any field, choose a can, any can, and also you look by way of. There’s, like, 20 or some elements. You may’t pronounce most of them. That’s what we name an ultra-processed meals. It’s one thing that your grandmother wouldn’t acknowledge as meals, you understand, all these methods of defining ultra-processed meals. Loads of soy is processed and makes use of filler materials for ultra-processed meals. And we do know that the extra ultra-processed meals you eat, the upper the danger of all types of illnesses together with some types of most cancers. And so, you understand, that’s an instance the place the supply, the shape, the processing, all makes lots of sense. It seems that, like, uncooked soybeans are wonderful, roasted soybeans are wonderful, fermented soybeans are wonderful. The nearer you will get to the entire meals and the minimally quantity that you could truly, you understand, have a manufacturing facility course of it, it’s most likely within the okay vary. However something, you understand, that in case you truly begin to grind it up and course of it and make it much less and fewer recognizable from its unique supply, the much less wholesome it truly is.


So, I’m with you on that. And that’s rule of thumb, by the best way, you understand. How does one go about navigating wholesome meals? You realize, like, lots of people I carry round this sort of guilt or confusion, like, “Look, I’ve simply grown up my complete life doing it this manner. I don’t know the place to start out.” And what I actually attempt to do is to principally say, “If you go to a grocery retailer, you understand, first go across the exterior, go to the produce part,” that’s what I do first, “And see if there’s something that’s interesting to you there in any respect. Begin with that. Spend probably the most time in a produce part” Could possibly be an apple, it could possibly be a carrot, it could possibly be a mango. You realize, these are the sorts of ways in which…I feel in case you go to conventional villages in Europe and Asia, you discuss concerning the Blue Zones, individuals go to the market, and the very first thing they do is that they don’t go for the cheese or the butcher store first, they go to for recent fruit and vegetable and the herbs part. That’s the place all people goes proper from the start as a result of that’s the place the freshest stuff is. Begin there, and you’ll go and construct out your buying cart after that.


Katie: Yeah, that’s an important level. And I feel the method distinction…I’m glad you bought to make clear that. As a result of usually I feel when individuals consider meals, they consider energy, and that’s a really fundamental oversimplification, in fact. However that’s what lots of the mainstream dialog begins round. And I’ve a good friend who says, “Your physique shouldn’t be a checking account, it’s a chemistry lab.” And so, we take note of the alerts these meals are sending, not simply the meals themselves and the energy in them. There’s a lot extra to that dialogue. You probably did point out purple wine, and so with a bunch of mothers listening, I might love so that you can get a bit of extra nuanced on the wine dialogue. And I’m hoping it’s not a no-wine-ever advice, however I wanna hear your tackle it both manner.


Dr. William: No. Properly, look, to begin with, I actually can recognize a pleasant glass of purple wine, and even white wine. However all of the well being analysis has proven that, you understand, a glass or two of purple wine has been typically helpful to you. You realize, there’s been good research coronary heart well being and mind well being, and even weight problems. However right here’s the true crux of it. The good things in purple wine shouldn’t be present in white wine. It’s what makes the purple wine purple. And it’s the fermentation means of the grape pores and skin. So, in case you’ve by no means toured a vineyard, it’s worthwhile doing it in case you can, and even a YouTube video to take a look at, you understand, like, how wine is definitely made. The purple wine is made with purple grapes. Preserving the grape pores and skin, and the grape pores and skin has lots of these polyphenols. The meat of the grape is also fairly good, however the pores and skin truly has lots of it. And so, whenever you ferment grapes, which is how purple wine is definitely made, the pure fermentation course of with sugar and alcohol truly attracts out these pure chemical substances from the pores and skin of the purple grape. They’re referred to as bio-actives. And why they’re referred to as bio-actives is, effectively, the identify says in any respect, they’re biologically lively in your physique. Okay.


And so principally purple wine is crammed with these luscious…that’s what makes purple wine ruby coloured. All proper. And it additionally offers wine its attribute…purple wine is attribute sort of taste that whenever you hear these people who find themselves wine specialists describe the flavour of wine, the blackberry notes, the tobacco notes, no matter, that’s additionally because of the bio-actives, the flavors which can be in there. And people chemical substances, alone or collectively, together with resveratrol, truly activate our physique’s well being defenses. They make our circulation higher. They assist to develop blood vessels, they assist recruit stem cells, they’re good for our intestine microbiome, they’re antioxidants for our DNA. They really even enhance immunity, in case you take a look at these bio-actives.


What concerning the alcohol? What about ethanol? Okay. Ethanol is what makes us drunk. That’s what offers us the thrill. That’s lots of occasions what makes alcohol sort of social. Properly, look, relating to well being, in zero instances, no case is the alcohol chargeable for something helpful to your well being. You realize, that provides you the thrill, that makes it social, that’s wonderful in case you have it sparsely. And a few individuals can’t even tolerate the alcohol. A part of you might be lacking some enzymes in your liver. But it surely’s by no means the alcohol, it’s the opposite great things that makes purple wine purple that’s good for you.


So, in case you truly had alcohol-free wine, that is top of the range, you’re gonna get these bio-actives. Identical factor as beer, you understand. Oddly, beer-drinking truly appears to be related to some enchancment in well being and discount of some types of most cancers like kidney most cancers. How might that be? Doesn’t beer make us fats? It might assist us achieve weight? Doesn’t it trigger most cancers? The alcohol shouldn’t be good for you. Okay? I imply, you understand, we’re people, so it’s okay for the human a part of us, like, the social a part of it, however truly all the good things in beer is coming from the fermentation of the hops, that truly is the cloudy stuff that’s in our beer.


And so, once more, in case you have alcohol-free beer, you’d wind up having all these bioactive. So possibly much less enjoyable to drink, however that’s truly the place all the good things is. And so, what I at all times inform individuals is, “Look, life is for the dwelling, and so in case you’re any individual who simply enjoys purple wine, simply ensure you have it sparsely, one or two glasses, you understand, a few occasions every week, that’s most likely wonderful.” I imply, it is best to at all times discuss to your physician in case you have an issue with alcohol, and take heed to your physique. Should you don’t really feel good after ingesting wine…some individuals have sulfate allergic reactions and different reactions to wine. By all means, take heed to your physique, don’t take heed to your pals. Avoid the issues that don’t agree with you. However that’s actually sort of a bit of little bit of the de-mythologizing purple wine and beer.


Katie: Properly, that’s encouraging. I’m glad there’s excellent news, and caveats which can be vital to know. That’s tremendous useful. I do know you additionally discuss lots in your work about intestine well being. And definitely, that is an space that we’re additionally studying rather more about, and I’m glad that is turning into a spotlight. Are you able to sort of give us an summary of intestine well being particular to illness and supporting the physique in all these ways in which we’re already speaking about?


Dr. William: Yeah. Our intestine begins from our lips. When you get inside your lips, you’re into the intestine already. And whenever you go to the very finish, which is the place, you understand, we poop, that’s additionally a part of the intestine. So, how lengthy is our intestine? It’s 30-feet lengthy within the common grownup. So, take into consideration that. It’s longer than your automobile laid out end-to-end. And on the very finish of the intestine, within the colon, that’s truly…it’s referred to as the ilium. It’s truly the primary a part of the colon. And that’s truly the place most of our intestine micro organism in our physique lives. And we do have some in our pores and skin, and now we have some in our crevices, and in our nostrils and our ears. However the actuality is that almost all of it, 99% of it, truly lives in our decrease intestine. Now, why is that vital? Properly, after I was in medical college, we have been conscious that there was intestine micro organism, however we didn’t know the way vital that’s. However our intestine micro organism…after we eat, we’re feeding ourselves, we’re getting the vitamins, you understand, the energy, the proteins, the sugars, the fat, and the bio-actives, by the best way, we simply talked about. After which something that our human our bodies don’t digest, passes on, after which we’re feeding our intestine micro organism.


So, our intestine micro organism, we eat first, our intestine micro organism eat second. Now, after we feed our intestine micro organism…like, take into consideration your intestine micro organism like a pet. Should you’ve acquired a cat, a canine, a chook, fish, on daily basis you’re feeding them, and also you’re fairly cautious you’re feeding them the good things, proper. Like, no one desires to feed their pet one thing intentionally dangerous. If you feed the pet the good things, you could have a contented pet, proper. And your pet’s grateful to you, and truly, reward you with no matter it’s that you just get out of your pet.


Now, in case you feed your pet one thing dangerous, it should truly get sick. And ultimately, that relationship you could have with the pet is gonna be actually off-kilter. Identical factor with our intestine micro organism. After we feed our intestine micro organism, it’s they eat second, proper. If you concentrate on it, like, adults’ and children’ desk. Youngsters eat first, adults eat second. So, principally the grownups get to eat, that’s our intestine micro organism. If we feed them one thing dangerous, they’re not gonna do effectively. And our intestine micro organism, 39 trillion micro organism kind an ecosystem. And that ecosystem, when it truly is working effectively collectively, it helps our blood sugar, it helps our lipids, it helps management our blood stress, it helps us regulate our fats, it helps our immune system. The immune system half is actually fascinating, Katie, as a result of, once more, we now notice one thing new concerning the human physique, which is that 70% of our immune system is within the layers of our intestine proper subsequent to the micro organism.


So, take into consideration your intestine like a jelly roll, and there’s intestine micro organism stuff in the midst of the roll, and our immune system is within the layers across the jelly roll, okay, contained in the intestines. And what occurs is that the intestine micro organism, after we feed them effectively, talk with our immune system. I name it, like, faculty roommates. You realize, you’re in a dorm and you’ve got a extremely skinny wall. The intestine micro organism is like pound by way of the wall and discuss to the roommate subsequent door, which is the immune system. And identical to in faculty, you understand, you might say what sort of pizza you need simply by shouting by way of the wall. The underside line is that our immune system listens rigorously to our intestine.


When our intestine is wholesome, being fed good issues like leafy greens with nice dietary fiber, and also you wind up truly getting fed a prebiotic weight-reduction plan that’s principally fiber, or whenever you’re truly consuming a probiotic weight-reduction plan, which may include micro organism itself, like yogurt, or kimchi, or sauerkraut, and even sourdough bread, the nice intestine micro organism talks to the immune system and recommends what the immune system does to guard your well being. If you screw up the micro organism, you screw up that communication to the immune system, and now your immune system is haywire and may’t defend your well being in the suitable manner. And so, I’m simply kinda supplying you with, like, an eagle’s eye view of why it’s so vital to feed our intestine micro organism fiber, which it loves, that’s prebiotic meals, probiotic meals, which is the micro organism itself, you’ll be able to replenish the ecosystem, and the way that truly protects plenty of completely different components of our well being, together with our immune system.


Katie: That’s such clarification. And I do know in your work, you discuss one thing referred to as the 5x5x5. And I’d love so that you can give us an summary and clarify this as effectively.


Dr. William: Yeah. So, look, I’ve simply tried to make issues as straightforward as attainable for individuals to sort of digest actually, which is, how do you truly take all this data that we’ve been speaking about and I’ve been sharing with my public on science and analysis and boil it down into some easy methods you’ll be able to bear in mind. 5x5x5 stands for the truth that…simply bear in mind you’ve acquired 5 well being protection techniques in your physique. You don’t even must know precisely which of them they’re. You don’t need to memorize these difficult phrases. You get 5 techniques to feed. Quantity two, the second 5, 5×5 is that we ought to be feeding every of these each single day. Do one thing to feed every of these well being defenses. So, you’re masking your self, you understand. It’s kinda such as you’re watering each plant, you’ve acquired 5 vegetation, ensure you water every of your well being protection techniques and do factor to it. After which the third 5 is actually the truth that each single day, we’ve acquired on common 5 occasions that we encounter meals, breakfast, lunch, dinner, and possibly a few snacks.


Okay. And so, the underside line is that every time you eat, encounter meals is a shot on aim. So, each time you could have a shot on aim, go forward and do one thing that’s good to your well being defenses. And in order that’s 5x5x5. Now, which meals and which well being defenses? That is why, you understand, I kinda created all these easy tables and charts in my guide. You may truly check out a protection system, there’s a listing of 100 or so meals in a number of the techniques. And what I inform individuals to do, simply, you understand, whenever you open up the guide, take an image along with your mobile phone of the web page. Really, to begin with, open up the guide, circle those that you just like, your faves, after which take an image of it. And that manner you’ll be able to simply at all times name it up whenever you’re truly going out buying, and even whenever you’re at a restaurant, you’re sitting round wanting on the menu. “Man, what ought to I eat?” Properly, in fact, go to your preferences. However amongst your preferences, have a look and see in case your preferences even have any of the good things as a result of that’s the shot on aim, you’ll be able to truly activate your well being defenses. And now you’ve finished one thing that you really want, that’s additionally good for your self.


Katie: That’s an important tip. And I do really feel just like the physique begins to additionally get very intuitive and crave these meals, the extra we feed it good issues. And it’s a compounding factor. However I usually wish to assume when it comes to as an alternative of simply energy from meals, what’s the most nutrient density I can get into these energy I’m already gonna be consuming. Like, how can I greatest assist my physique by way of my meals decisions, which naturally results in very vibrant colours and plenty of herbs and meals which can be nice for you? It’s additionally far more thrilling to eat that manner.


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And I do know you could have a lot extra analysis than we are able to cowl in a one-hour podcast, together with a sequence of masterclasses, and I wanna ensure that we touched on these. I’ll put hyperlinks within the present notes. However are you able to discuss your masterclass sequence?


Dr. William: Yeah. Properly, my masterclass sequence is one thing I do. It’s without cost. I do it, you understand, each month, and you’ll simply go to my web site,, and take a look at after I’m doing them and join them. However right here’s the explanation why I did it, the reason being truly fairly vital. You realize, when the pandemic was first declared in 2020, I used to be like everybody else. I used to be kind of, you understand, in my home staring out the window questioning, you understand, what can we do. And look, I’m a physician, and I knew very effectively that there have been no prescriptions to jot down on the time. The hospitals couldn’t do something for us, and other people didn’t know what to do. And in reality, they didn’t wanna go to the physician. And I noticed, at that second, one thing actually profound, which is that this was a second that we might see that medical doctors and well being techniques, and hospitals couldn’t do every little thing for us. And but, right here we have been, myself included making a call. You realize, three or 5 occasions a day, I needed to exit to purchase meals, I needed to go determine what to place in my fridge, I had to determine what to prepare dinner on daily basis. And it was by no means extra clear to me.


And there was data that folks wanted to find out about, about how you can make some actually good wholesome decisions. How do you get to know your physique, your 5 well being defenses? How have you learnt which meals are literally good for our well being defenses? And, in fact, you understand, immune system is such an vital factor. However all of our well being defenses are a possibility for us to sort of decrease our threat for most cancers, and coronary heart illness, and diabetes, and weight problems, and Alzheimer’s, all these vital circumstances. And it was that second that I noticed that, you understand, there was a possibility for me. I actually felt a way of mission to have the ability to do these free masterclasses.


And what’s actually nice is that, you understand, I’ve had as much as 8,000 individuals from 38 nations join a single masterclass. And so, the concept, you understand, we had this, like, loopy time we have been coping with however we learn to use digital medium like Zoom or these digital issues to have the ability to contact individuals across the planet, was extremely empowering. And so, what I’m making an attempt to do is, you understand, kinda set into movement an “Eat to Beat Illness” motion that places the ability of well being in everybody’s personal pocket, and also you don’t need to depend on the well being system as step primary. Now, clearly, it is best to see your physician, it is best to have a physician. It’s not a substitute for, but it surely’s all that healthcare that we do between visits to the physician’s workplace.


And so, from the masterclass, which you’ll be able to join, I additionally, for individuals who actually wanna do a deep dive, I created a web-based course, that permits you to truly drill in and to essentially perceive the nuances of our 5 well being defenses, and the precise meals and the way do you purchase and retailer and put together the meals as effectively. So, you understand, it’s one thing that I discovered myself gravitating increasingly in direction of this. That is actually, you understand, kinda like what you’re doing, which is, how do you get the phrase out about vital data that may change individuals’s lives in ways in which aren’t burdensome, however truly are empowering.


Katie: Yeah, that’s so vital. And you’ve got so many nice assets, like I mentioned, I’ll hyperlink to the place individuals can discover these. So, in case you guys are listening whilst you’re on the go, that’s We’ll have a hyperlink to the guide, the masterclasses, and your TED Discuss, in addition to lots of different data I’ve discovered from you on-line. And as we get close to the top of our time, a pair final questions I like to ask. The primary being, if there’s a guide or a lot of books, in fact, in addition to your personal, that’s been very impactful for plenty of individuals, however which have had a profound affect in your life. And in that case, what they’re and why?


Dr. William: You realize what? I’ll inform you that a number of the books which were most impactful for me relating to well being have truly been cookbooks. And I like to take a look at cookbooks which can be coming from meals cultures, whether or not it’s Italy, whether or not it’s Japan, whether or not it’s China. After which in case you have a look inside an space like Italy, for instance, in case you take a look at the meals of Sardinia or the meals of the Amalfi Coast, these are issues now on Amazon. You may simply search on Amalfi coast cookbook, and so they’ll pop up. All these native regional recipes, I discover these to be extremely transformative as a result of it teaches me one thing that I didn’t know earlier than, that might truly entice me to attempt one thing I haven’t finished earlier than. And to make use of elements that I simply would possibly be taught to like. You realize, I discussed the Amalfi Coast, however I’ll inform you, I checked out a few cookbooks from Venice, Italy, which is a spot I visited prior to now, but it surely’s so completely different as a result of lots of seafood and lots of greens that we don’t usually encounter, however I needed to attempt to be challenged to be taught issues that I haven’t realized earlier than. So, I might say, you understand, cookbooks are literally been actually influential for me.


You realize, I’ll inform you one other guide, this isn’t about well being, per se, that truly was actually influential to me, so, you understand, there’s a discipline of combined martial arts, which, you understand, we see on tv and it’s sort of a giant deal now. And it’s a fight kind that’s a sport that includes utilizing completely different abilities like boxing, and wrestling, and kickboxing, and judo, and all that kinda stuff. Properly, I learn a guide that was written by the daddy of combined martial arts or he’s been attributed to be one of many fathers of combined martial arts, Bruce Lee. So, Bruce Lee was a martial artist. He died many, a few years in the past, within the ’70s. However he got here from Hong Kong…he was an American, truly. He went again to Hong Kong and grew up in America. And he realized that sticking to 1 type of something, karate, judo, taekwondo is just too limiting and that what you actually wanna be capable to do is to adapt your self to be taught completely different types and to adapt your self to completely different circumstances.


And so, he wrote a guide referred to as, the “Tao of Jeet Kune Do” which is definitely his type. And it’s an previous guide now, you’ll be able to nonetheless get it on-line. There’s a Bruce Lee Basis that reissued it, a beautiful collector’s model. But it surely actually talks about his philosophy. So, though he was a fighter and a martial artist, he was truly a thinker. He studied philosophy in faculty. And so, I typically will return to learn that as a result of, you understand, he talks about this concept of being like water, like, to truly navigate by way of life. You don’t need to be inflexible and damaged like a department that might snap however you need to be versatile and adapt your self. And I feel that’s actually vital relating to meals and well being is to learn to…know your self and adapt your self to your circumstances round you. And that’s truly additionally been one thing that’s been fairly influential for me.


Katie: That’s a brand new advice I’m truly actually personally excited to take a look at. I’ve, within the final yr or so, began coaching, truly in Jeet Kune Do, and likewise another arts like Kali and completely different types of that. And I like the motion side of them, however I additionally love the meditative side of these patterns and the vitality interplay with one other particular person. However that’s so wonderful as a result of I’ve by no means heard anybody else discuss Jeet Kune Do. That’s so thrilling.


Dr. William: No, that’s cool. Properly, it is best to go to the…take a look at the Bruce Lee Basis, which was the household basis, that his daughter and his spouse arrange. They usually simply republished this unbelievable philosophy guide referred to as the “Tao of Jeet Kune Do” and it actually talks about…I imply, it’s all his unique philosophies and writings. So, actually worthwhile for anyone who desires to delve a bit of bit extra into the roots of how you can be in contact along with your physique, how you can be versatile and adaptive, and why you wanna break free from inflexible types of something, inflexible types of consuming, inflexible types of fad weight-reduction plan, inflexible types of fasting even. That is about getting in contact with who you might be your self.


Katie: Yeah. Properly, I’m so excited to examine this out. And this may increasingly even have already answered the final query I had for you, or no less than contact on it, which is, in case you had any parting recommendation for the listeners at this time, that could possibly be associated to one thing we’ve talked about or fully unrelated.


Dr. William: Properly, no, I do truly. You realize, I’m any individual who actually appreciates meals tradition. I like meals from traditions that truly actually worth these recipes which were handed down for tons of of years. You realize, like, I’ve had my fair proportion of, like, fancy meals over the course of my life in my profession. However truthfully, like, the normal meals that, you understand, frankly, households and peasants ate, or for celebration, or simply even easy consuming, is one thing I actually get pleasure from. And so, I feel that, you understand, I’m a giant proponent in respecting the meals cultures which can be on the market. They’re normally extremely scrumptious and attractive. They’ve been time-proven. You realize, they’re not gonna be dangerous to you, they’re most likely gonna be wholesome for you. However when it offers you the chance to do, and that is actually my parting phrases, is to like your meals, to like your well being. Should you can align what you’re keen on about one thing that you just’re gonna eat together with how a lot you care about your well being, now you’ve acquired the right alignment of how you can truly make a meals alternative, how you can plan a meal, and how you can truly share meals along with your neighborhood in a manner that’s wholesome for everybody.


Katie: That’s lovely. And I feel very relevant to mothers who are sometimes the meals prepares for our households. And I feel an ideal wrapping up level for at this time, though I might discuss to you for therefore lengthy since you’re such a wealth of information. I’m very, very grateful for you being right here at this time and sharing. Thanks a lot.


Dr. William: Thanks.


Katie: And thanks, as at all times to all of you who’re listening for sharing your most precious assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.


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